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Friday, October 19, 2007

Superlativity Is an Affront to Common Sense

"To be natural is such a difficult pose to keep up."--Oscar Wilde

Upgraded and adapted from Comments:

Giulio wrote: I wish to... focus on concrete things... [Y]ou are... focusing on abstract issues characterized by endless questioning of others' hidden motivations and "identity". As I see things, I am focused on outcomes, and you are focused on identity.

This comment would be, frankly, flabbergasting if I weren't so completely used to hearing it at this point from my Superlatively Technocentric critics.

Let me ask you a few questions: Are you denying you have unconscious motives that can sometimes be more intelligible to others than to yourself? Are you denying that the normative pressures exerted by social formations impact conduct and perception and can look different depending on whether one is inside or outside that formation? Are you denying that all progress, including technoscientific progress, is shaped by social, cultural, and political factors -- or do you believe that progress is simply a matter of the socially indifferent accumulation of useful techniques and technical devices? Are you denying that the predominate vocabularies through which people talk about "progress" and "development" are shaped by the demands of corporate and military competitiveness, and that this might matter to people concerned with matters of sustainability, democracy, and social justice? Are you denying that argument actually consists of more than simply the delineation of logical propositions and the relations of entailment that obtain between them -- and that the force of argument will depend on metaphor, framing, schematism, to the citation of customary topics, tropes, generic conventions, and so on? Do you deny that cults exist, do you deny that they can be studied in ways that generate useful observations, and that these observations can illuminate authoritarian organizational structures beyond the marginal cult form, fundamentalist religiosity, for example, charismatic art movements, marginal subcultural identity politics, populist politics with mass-mediated celebrity leaders, and so on? Do you deny that some people exhibit what is popularly described as True Belief, largely insulated from criticism and driven by defensive forms of identification? Do you deny that there is a difference between forms of identity politics and other modes of politics, or do you simply deny that these differences make a difference? Do you deny that stress and fear of technodevelopmental change can activate irrational passions at the level of personal and mass psychology and that it actually pays to attend to these effects?

These are all perfectly concrete questions as far as I can tell, to all of which I devote considerable attention here at Amor Mundi, and they are none of them more "abstract" than most of the scientific and "technical" claims that exercise the attention of Superlatively Technocentric people -- they are certainly no more abstract than the sociological claims that preoccupy some who would pooh-pooh cultural readings like mine as "literary" or "abstruse," and -- honestly -- these concerns are easily quite as "concrete," you can be sure, as "hardboiled" predictions about the arrival any time soon of Robot Overlords or digital immortality for embodied human people.

These concerns I've listed aren't the only things in the world that repay our attention, certainly, but to dismiss these sorts of issues as some of my interlocutors sometimes seem to do is really just too obtuse for words. It's hard even to know how to respond to such attitudes sometimes. There is something painfully insufferable about the smug dismissals of "abstractness" in favor of "concreteness" one hears from facile reductionists. And there is something painfully self-defeatingly anti-intellectual about the incessant attribution to whole modalities of intelligent expressivity of a disqualifying "effeteness" "eliteness" "muddle-mindedness" "abstruseness" all in a self-promotional effort to market one's own reductionism as paragon. (To the inevitable idiotic response that I am doing the same thing to the scientifically-minded: I actually deeply respect and affirm scientific rationality, but know that to force it to apply everywhere is as distortive of its dignity and worth as to deny it application everywhere.) I just can't tell you how incessant testaments to these attitudes gets things really off on the wrong foot for somebody like me.

Michael Anissimov, for example, offers up this helpful statement in the opening gambit of a response to me elsewhere in the Moot: "A stumbling point is the sometimes unnecessary verbosity of your writing."

What am I supposed to say to that? Hey, fuck you? Honestly!

"Unnecessary verbosity?" Tell me, Michael, are all your words precisely the necessary ones? Necessary to whom, for what purpose? What if I chose some of my words because they delight me? Because they strike me as funny, because I like the sound of them? You got a problem with that?

What kind of self-image drives the choice to frame a discussion with moves like that in the first place? If I may offer up one of my questionable "armchair psychologizing" readings, I'll admit that there are times when I find myself getting the eerie feeling that advocates for AI try to write like Spock or Colossus would (or think they are so doing, since such projects inevitably fail: conceptual language is always metaphorical, argumentative moves are always as figurative as literal) as some kind of amateur performative tribute to the post-biological AI they believe in but which never seems to arrives on the scene as such. Be the change you want to see in the world... only now with robots!

This isn't a clinical diagnosis, of course, this isn't even an accusation. I know this seems to be hard for you guys to grasp, but I don't really believe it's "true" that you are performatively compensating for the interminably failed arrival of AI by acting out in this way. I obviously don't have remotely enough in the way of data to affirm this "theory" as a warranted belief or anything. Treat it as you would surely treat comparable glib conjectures offered up in actual social conversation, as a kind of placeholder for the real perplexity I often find myself feeling when confronted with the curious claims and moves of technocentric folks. Clearly, something rather odd is afoot that makes you guys talk and act this way. Who knows what finally it's all about? It certainly seems to have a measure of defensiveness and projection in it. Treat my proposal of one kind of provisional explanation that seems to hit the pitch and scale of the phenomenon at least as an utterance of the form: What is up with you guys?

Be that as it may, just to be clear: I do like writing words that are "unnecessary." There are plenty of things I like doing that are unnecessary. I am unafraid of the dimensions of experience and expression that are not governed only by necessity. I can cope quite well with such necessities as I must, but I don't want to live in the (to me) gray world where everything gets framed in those terms. That's a dull, ugly world, a robot world, as far as I can tell. Stop crowing about how not verbose, not abstract, not esthetic you guys are if you want to impress me or the people who likely come here for pleasure or provocation. It's not at all a winning strategy in a place like this.

Giulio continues: I am telling you... forget that I am a God Robot Cultist who engages in Superlative Technology Discourse and believes that the Eschaton will upload him to a Techno-Heaven, and let's join forces to achieve the common objectives.

Are you shitting me? I am quite happy to ignore the Robot Cult thing if we are in conversation about whether it's better to wipe your ass with two-ply or three-ply, but if we are talking about documenting and shaping the ongoing discursive formations through which technodevelopmental social struggle is articulated, then I'm not going to ignore the Robot Cult thing. It's relevant. It's WAY relevant. It's epically WAY relevant.

I think different identities should not matter much as long as there is agreement on outcomes.

Agreement on outcomes? I want to democratize technodevelopmental social struggle, I don't aspire to prostheticized Omni-Predicated transcendence of finitude, incarnation, and contested plurality. Dude, five thousand mostly white North Atlantic sf/popular futurology enthusiasts joined a social club they enjoy (which is perfectly fine and possibly charming) and decided they were a "movement" (which is rather silly but still mostly fine).

Now, when you sometimes seem to want to compare your own discomfort as a "transhumanist-identified person" because people are inquiring into the politics of your organizational structure, the leading metaphors in your canonical literature, and the peculiar entailments of your arguments with the suffering of persecuted ethnic, religious, gender minorities (minorities consisting of millions of people with long histories of documented abuses leaving palpable legacies generating irrational stigmas with which we all must cope as people who share a diverse world) it is, to be blunt, fairly flabbergasting.

When, on the other hand, you try to pretend that your status as a "transhumanist-identified person" is a triviality like eye color or preferring boxers to briefs, this is nearly as flabbergasting: inasmuch as if it were true you wouldn't be going on about it so endlessly, even in the face of my ongoing critique, but also because it's so palpably like saying a person's actually-affirmed identification as a Scientologist, a Mormon, a Freemason, or a Republican is something that one should pay no attention to in matters of urgent concern directly shaped by that affiliation and in ways that tend to subvert one's own ends. Who in the hell would ever think like that? What are you talking about?

"[B]eing or not being a cuckold has nothing to do with politics. It is something else, that belongs to a separate and non overlapping part of life. Same with sexual, religious, and football team preferences: these things have NOTHING to do with politics."

Well, actually, all of these things are enormously imbricated in politics. But bracketing all that, just sticking to the specifically wrong thing you are saying instead of all the many more generally wrong things you are saying here: If you happen to be a cuckold I agree that I could care less about that if we are arguing about a current technoscientific issue (unless attitudes toward infidelity come into that issue in some way, obviously). If you see current technoscientific issues as stepping stones along a path that eventuates in the transcendentalizing arrival at Superlative Omni-predicated outcomes in which you have invested deep personal faith, then it would be almost unthinkably stupid for me not to care about how these curious attitudes of yours might derange your sense of the stakes at hand, the significance of the issues, your estimation of likely developments in the near to middle term, the terms, frames, and formulations that will appeal to you and have intuitive force, and so on.

Even worse tactically, because you wish to disqualify many people who would be in _your_ camp when concrete and practical matters are discussed.

I don't have the power to "disqualify" people. I say what I think is right, what I think is wrong, what I think is possible, what I think is important, and what I think is ridiculous. And I won't stop.

In general, I am not looking for a "camp" to find my way to in any case, and while I am a big believer in political organizing I understand p2p politics well enough to know how foolish pan-movements, party machines, and camp mentalities should be to anybody who claims "tactical" wisdom in contemporary politics.

10 comments:

gp said...

My friend, I hope sooner or later we will have a chance to meet face to face over a beer and talk things over. We just don't seem to be getting each other's core point in full.

My answer to all the "Do you deny..." questions is NO, but I hope that was already understood.

One reason why I criticize your focusing on identity is that you oversimplify. There is no "identity". Each of us has many identitiES, each active in a particular sphere of his life. Come on, you know that. I am sure you can list several persons who live in your skull. So can I, and so can whoever is reading this. A person is way more complex than an identity.

What is the point I am making? That you are ignoring that we can always choose the identity most appropriate to the matter at hand, and let different parts of our mind deal with different aspects of reality at different times.

Coming to your core point, which I think is "If you see current technoscientific issues as stepping stones along a path that eventuates in the transcendentalizing arrival at Superlative Omni-predicated outcomes in which you have invested deep personal faith, then it would be almost unthinkably stupid for me not to care about how these curious attitudes of yours might derange your sense of the stakes at hand, the significance of the issues, your estimation of likely developments in the near to middle term, the terms, frames, and formulations that will appeal to you and have intuitive force, and so on".

I do not sleep with my God Robot Cultist hat. I choose when to wear it, and I choose when to take it off. When I am wearing it, YES, I "see current technoscientific issues as stepping stones along a path that eventuates in the transcendentalizing arrival at Superlative Omni-predicated outcomes". But this would not be appropriate when dealing with immediate, urgent and concrete realities, so in these cases I just take it off. I have been active in political parties, in social and disaster relief actions, in neighborhood committees, in educational work... and I can ensure you that the God Robot Cult is as far as possible from my immediate attention in such cases.

S, thank for ignoring the Robot Cult thing if we are in conversation about whether it's better to wipe your ass with two-ply or three-ply, but please ignore it also if we discuss the stakes at hand, the significance of the issues, your estimation of likely developments in the near to middle term, the terms, frames, and formulations. Because, you see, I am ignoring it myself. It is one of my "identitiES", but not the only one.

But on other occasions, when doing so does not endanger any of the immediate outcomes that I want to achieve, I feel free to have a drink, I feel free to smoke a cigarette, I feel free to watch a movie and worship the Great Pumpkin, I feel free to put the God Robot Cult on, and _that is my own fucking business and nobody else's_.

Best from Giulio who is getting ready to hear the usual arguments that completely miss the point that I have just tried to make.

Anonymous said...

I wish to... focus on concrete things... [Y]ou are... focusing on abstract issues characterized by endless questioning of others' hidden motivations and "identity". As I see things, I am focused on outcomes, and you are focused on identity.

I agree, this is a bizarre statement. I think Dale was right in noticing an identity-politics/movementist tendency in transhumanism. Maybe it's subtle, but it's not very surprising in retrospect (basic human nature, in fact) and it has to be engaged.

As insane as this may sound, it took me a while to admit that I have any really strong unconscious motivations, not specifically related to transhumanism, but in general. I suspect (warning: armchair psychologizing) that people who deeply want to be rational (as I did and still do) may find this hard to accept. It is more than a little deflating. Oh well.

I still disagree with Dale about the bankruptcy of Singularitarianism, the risk and potential of AI, and so on, but his point here is right on: rooting for the Transhumanist Team is different from and secondary to actually trying to make the world better. Transhumanist identification may be useful to this end, but movement politics is not.

Anonymous said...

Giulio, from another transhumanist-identified person: do you really believe your transhumanist identification has no effect on your attitude toward "immediate, urgent and concrete realities", or on your "estimation of likely developments"? As Executive Director of the WTA, wouldn't you say your transhumanist identity is rather more important and thoroughgoing than many of your other hats?

I imagine you've read Overcoming Bias on occasion, or at least some works on heuristics and biases and/or evolutionary psychology. I imagine you're somewhat familiar with the truly amazing human capacity for self-deception. Are you sure you can compartmentalize as completely as I see you claiming?

Giulio Prisco said...

Nick, I am no longer the Executive Director of the WTA! The Executive Director is now James Clement, who is doing a much better job.

It is not "importance", it is "relevance". To use another of those oversimplified analogies that piss Dale off, I may consider my socialist hat as the most important thing in the world, but it does not help if I have to fix a toilet. I need a plumber hat for that.

Of course I am not sure I can compartmentalize as completely as I am claiming, and I cannot entirely rule self-deception out, but I think what I said is basically correct in my own case and for many others as well.

jimf said...

Dale wrote:

> [T]here is something painfully self-defeatingly anti-intellectual
> about the incessant attribution to whole modalities of intelligent
> expressivity of a disqualifying "effeteness" "eliteness"
> "muddle-mindedness" "abstruseness" all in a self-promotional effort
> to market one's own reductionism as paragon. (To the inevitable
> idiotic response that I am doing the same thing to the scientifically-minded:
> I actually deeply respect and affirm scientific rationality, but
> know that to force it to apply everywhere is as distortive of its
> dignity and worth as to deny it application everywhere.)

"... 'I came here [to the N.I.C.E.] because I thought it
had something to do with science. Now that I find it's
something more like a political conspiracy, I shall go home.
I'm too old for that kind of thing, and if I wanted to
join a conspiracy, this one wouldn't be my choice.'

'You mean, I suppose, that the element of social
planning doesn't appeal to you? I can quite understand
that it doesn't fit in with your work as it does
with sciences like Sociology, but--'

'There **are** no sciences like Sociology[! ;-> ]. And if
I found chemistry beginning to fit in with a secret
police run by a middle-aged virago who doesn't wear
corsets and a scheme for taking away his farm
and his shop and his children from every Englishman,
I'd let chemistry go to the devil and take up
gardening again.'"

[Conversation between Hengist, the chemist, and
Mark Studdock, at the N.I.C.E., shortly before
Hengist's murder.]

-- C. S. Lewis, _That Hideous Strength_, pp. 70 - 71

Dale Carrico said...

My answer to all the "Do you deny..." questions is NO, but I hope that was already understood.

Certainly it is NOT already understood, and it is not enough to say NO in answer to the questions when they are so directly put that to answer otherwise would palpably expose one to ridicule. What is wanted is that one should act in a way that comports with the belief. I asked you these questions because it is unclear why you would say and do some of the things you say and do if your answer is really and truly NO. If you say so, I believe, of course, I know you to be an honest person. But perhaps you would do well to contemplate them implications of some of these answers before proceeding.

There is no "identity". Each of us has many identitiES, each active in a particular sphere of his life. Come on, you know that.

Indeed, I do know that. And I write about it here and teach about it elsewhere. I disagree with you that this point has the force you seem to think it does in the context of this disagreement, however.

I do not sleep with my God Robot Cultist hat.

We're not having this argument in bed.

I choose when to wear it, and I choose when to take it off.

No small part of the "you" who "chooses" is constituted through the performances of identification and disidentification you are talking about here. The word for the position you are affirming here is "naïve voluntarism," the idea that grasping the socially constructed or performative character of identification and legibility entitles one to the fanciful idea that identity is like a suit of clothes in one's closet to be donned and doffed according to one's fancy. My own attitudes on such matters are informed by my reading of Judith Butler, and if you care to pursue them, I would read Undoing Gender, Exciteable Speech, & Bodies That Matter, in that order.

Coming to your core point, which I think is "If you see current technoscientific issues as stepping stones along a path that eventuates in the transcendentalizing arrival at Superlative Omni-predicated outcomes in which you have invested deep personal faith, then it would be almost unthinkably stupid for me not to care about how these curious attitudes of yours might derange your sense of the stakes at hand, the significance of the issues, your estimation of likely developments in the near to middle term, the terms, frames, and formulations that will appeal to you and have intuitive force, and so on".

I do not sleep with my God Robot Cultist hat. I choose when to wear it, and I choose when to take it off. When I am wearing it, YES, I "see current technoscientific issues as stepping stones along a path that eventuates in the transcendentalizing arrival at Superlative Omni-predicated outcomes". But this would not be appropriate when dealing with immediate, urgent and concrete realities, so in these cases I just take it off. I have been active in political parties, in social and disaster relief actions, in neighborhood committees, in educational work... and I can ensure you that the God Robot Cult is as far as possible from my immediate attention in such cases.


I simply cannot disagree with you more. So, you really think that you cast out of your mind your Subcultural commitments when talking about technodevelopmental politics in general? Do I have to remind you that you have responded in the past to some of my characterizations of Superlative outcomes as implausible by arguing not that they were wrong but that they constituted defamation against transhumanists like you? So, you really think Superlative frames have no impact on your assessments of the significance and stakes of emerging genetic and prosthetic healthcare, nanoscale toxicity and sensors or current biotechnologies, security issues connected with networked malware today, cybernetic totalist ideology in contemporary coding cultures, and so on? I strongly doubt it, but, uh, okay.

Best from Giulio who is getting ready to hear the usual arguments that completely miss the point that I have just tried to make. Pot meet Kettle. Best to you, too!

Anonymous said...

The only people who can really, fully shut off all their 'other hats' are psychotics.

jimf said...

"If you argue with a madman, it is extremely probable that you
will get the worst of it; for in many ways his mind moves all the
quicker for not being delayed by the things that go with good
judgment. He is not hampered by a sense of humour or by charity,
or by the dumb certainties of experience. He is the more logical
for losing certain sane affections. Indeed, the common phrase
for insanity is in this respect a misleading one. The madman
is not the man who has lost his reason. The madman is the man
who has lost everything except his reason."

-- G. K. Chesterton, _Orthodoxy_, Chapter 2 "The Maniac"

Giulio Prisco said...

Oh my. Dale, Dale, Dale...

"Do I have to remind you that you have responded in the past to some of my characterizations of Superlative outcomes as implausible by arguing not that they were wrong but that they constituted defamation against transhumanists like you?"

Do I have to remind you that what I told you was that the TONE and LANGUAGE you used were unnecessarily conflictive and insulting - not an argument about your ideas, just a remark about your lack of manners.

Answer to "So you really think Superlative frames have no impact on your assessments of the significance and stakes of emerging genetic and prosthetic healthcare, nanoscale toxicity and sensors or current biotechnologies, security issues connected with networked malware today, cybernetic totalist ideology in contemporary coding cultures, and so on?"

Yes. Why should I have written it otherwise? The timescales involved are quite different aren't they? The Robot God, the Eschaton or whatever you like have nothing to do with health care and network security (and civil rights, and world peace, and...), so why should I let the RG have any impact on my assessments here and now?

Note to Nick: I agree with "rooting for the Transhumanist Team is different from and secondary to actually trying to make the world better". This is not the issue here.

G.

Dale Carrico said...

ONE

Me: "Do I have to remind you that you have responded in the past to some of my characterizations of Superlative outcomes as implausible by arguing not that they were wrong but that they constituted defamation against transhumanists like you?"

GP: Do I have to remind you that what I told you was that the TONE and LANGUAGE you used were unnecessarily conflictive and insulting - not an argument about your ideas, just a remark about your lack of manners.

I must say that this seems a bit disingenuous to me. Of course you have castigated me for my tone and language and so on in the past many times, but that's hardly the substance of the discussion we've been having here.

Look, I am offering up rhetorical, cultural, and political analyses delineating general tendencies of conduct that seem to me to arise from certain ways of framing problems. Individual people who read such analyses and complain that I am insulting them are finding in what I say a shoe that fits on their own and wearing it themselves. That is not the same thing as me insulting them.

The fact is, that you have actually compared your transhumanist identity, your Technological Immortalist identity and so on to identity categories like being gay, or gypsy, and so on. Clearly these comparisons are designed to mobilize proper progressive intuitions about the lifeway diversity in multiculture by analogy to persecuted minorities. I think this sort of analogy is wildly inappropriate, and perhaps your response here suggests that you have come to agree that it is upon further consideration. Maybe you weren't entirely conscious of your rhetoric here?

As you know I am immensely interested in the politics and policy of technodevelopmental social struggle, and one of the things that troubles me enormously is that a shift from a deliberative/open into a subcultural/identity mode of technodevelopmental politics is extremely vulnerable to mistake critique for persecution, disagreement for defamation.

How can one debate about a diversity of best technodevelopmental outcomes when some feel threatened in their very identities by the prospect of a failure to arrive at their own conception of best outcomes? How can such subcultural identifications with particular outcomes comport with democratic intuitions that we must keep the space of deliberation open so as always to respond to the inevitably existing diversity of stakeholders to any technodevelopmental state of affairs, in the present now as well as in future presents?

This is why I stress that the anti-democratizing effects of Superlative and Sub(cult)ural Technocentrisms are often more structural than intentional: one can affirm democratic ideals and yet contribute to discursive subversions of democracy against the grain of one's affirmed beliefs in these matters. It completely misses the force of my point and the nature of my deepest worries to imagine that I am calling people anti-democratic names when I try to delineate these tendencies. If only it were so simple as a few anti-democratic bad apples! Such personalizations of the problem utterly trivialize the issues and stakes on my own terms, quite apart from issues of my conversational partners complaints that their feelings have been hurt by what they see as unfair accusations.

None of this is to deny, by the way, that there are explicit reactionaries and authoritarian personalities -- both gurus and followers -- aplenty in Superlative Technocentric social formations, it is well documented that there are unusual numbers of both in these curious spaces. And I have exposed and ridiculed these manifestions among the extropians, Singularitarians, transhumanists, and so on many times, and I will continue to ridicule them as they well deserve. But my own sense is that it is the larger structural tendencies that preoccupy my own attention that make these formations strange attractors for some reactionaries, occasional authoritaritarians, legions of True Believers, and so on, rather than vice versa, and it is also true that these structural tendencies can yield their anti-democratizing effects just as well when Superlative and Sub(cult)ural Technocentrics have no explicit anti-democratizing intentions in the least.

Since you probably read all of those claims about general tendencies as personal insults it isn't entirely clear to me that you will have quite grasped the force of my critique by my lights, but such are the risks of interpersonal communication.

TWO

Me: "So you really think Superlative frames have no impact on your assessments of the significance and stakes of emerging genetic and prosthetic healthcare, nanoscale toxicity and sensors or current biotechnologies, security issues connected with networked malware today, cybernetic totalist ideology in contemporary coding cultures, and so on?

GP: Yes. Why should I have written it otherwise? The timescales involved are quite different aren't they? The Robot God, the Eschaton or whatever you like have nothing to do with health care and network security (and civil rights, and world peace, and...), so why should I let the RG have any impact on my assessments here and now?

Well, not all Superlative Technocentrics would agree with you that the timescales are that different, inasmuch as they finesse this problem through the convenient recourse to accelerationalism, whereby extreme or distant outcomes are rendered "proximate" by way of accelerating change, and even accelerating acceleration to really confuse matters and make the hype more plausible.

But setting all that aside, you simply can't have thought about this issue very clearly. Of course becoming wedded to Superlative outcomes influences your sense of the stakes and significance of technoscience quandaries in the present.

The force of Jeron Lanier's cybernetic totalism critique, for example, derives in large part from the way he shows faith in the superlative outcome of strong AI becomes a lens distorting the decisions of coders here and now. Word corrects "errors" that aren't errors, substituting its judgement for yours because coders see this crappy feature through the starry eyed anticipation of an AI that will actually have judgments.

The fears and fantasies of medicalized immortality crazily distort contemporary bioethical framings of genetic and prosthetic medicine here and now, all the time, and almost always to the cost of sense. Surely you agree with that, at least when the distortions are bioconservative.

There are incredibly energetic debates about whether the definition of "nanotechnology" will refer to current interventions at the nanoscale or to more Superlative understandings of the term when public funds are dispersed or regulations contemplated.

So of course your Superlative framing impacts your present perception. I suspect that you are now going to walk back your claim yet again and try another tack altogether while claiming I have misunderstood you all along, correct?

THREE

GP: Note to Nick: I agree with "rooting for the Transhumanist Team is different from and secondary to actually trying to make the world better". This is not the issue here.

It seems to me that this IS INDEED no small of the issue here. I connect Sub(cult)ural Futurism to Superlative Technocentricity, inasmuch as shared enthusiasm for particular technodevelopmental outcomes is the bond that maintains these subcultures, but the politics of subcultural maintenance in turn impose restrictions on the openness, experimentalism, flexibility of the technoscientific deliberation you can engage in without risk to the solidarity of the identity formation itself. This is why you people can constantly pretend that the future is going to be wildly different from the present wildly soon, and yet the vision of the subculture itself, from _Great Mambo Chicken_, to "The Gentle Seduction," to _Unbounding the Future_, to _Rapture_ to the latest pop futurological favorites simply reproduce virtually the same static vision of the future, over two decades and counting.

It's a faith with a particular heaven and a few Churches with marginal memberships, but all with an enormous and disproportionately influential media megaphone deriving one the one hand from its symptomatic relation to much broader fears/fantasies of agency occasioned by contemporary technodevelopmental churn and on the other hand from its rhetorical congeniality to the neoliberal assumptions that serve the interests of incumbent corporate-military interests.