tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5956838.post8580187385473368304..comments2023-11-22T01:14:54.298-08:00Comments on amor mundi: All Patriarchy Is EugenicDale Carricohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02811055279887722298noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5956838.post-41115851718453783932013-04-18T09:46:21.266-07:002013-04-18T09:46:21.266-07:00This might be a bit off topic not by much...but I ...This might be a bit off topic not by much...but I want to leave this here to show how zany io9 and science can get.<br /><br />http://io9.com/moores-law-predicts-life-originated-billions-of-years-476129496<br /><br /> In my personal opinion science is much to blame for idiotic ideas like eugenics and speculation of ET life. Also scientists are against drawing conclusions that have any relevance in human society, like what is "good" and "bad". Think about it. Biologists and physicists have been studying matter and it's functions for years. The whole process of "creation" is an insanely destructive affair, the catastrophes and pains and wastes involved in everyday reality is literally astronomical. With their vast stores of knowledge can't scientists pass AT LEAST SOME judgement on how people should think and live their lives? In the interest of being "objective" and "impartial", (not that it is actually possible to be such things), scientists lose a great opportunity to truly revolutionize human beings socially. (it is also unfortunate that they don't have much sway or power in government, government being composed of dumb people...most of them lawyers and business people). But I think it would be profoundly interesting to have a scientifically run society. I mean scientists knew racism was bullshit from the get go yet the idea still persists. I can envision severe problems in this social order, yet this is fascinating to me. We need a society run on what is objectively verifiable, not based on the whims of emotional and power hungry business people...I mean "politicians".Black guy from the future pasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14136170325730022110noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5956838.post-38261629568099316162013-04-18T06:29:37.966-07:002013-04-18T06:29:37.966-07:00>"Normativity is indeed a tangled web, sti...>"Normativity is indeed a tangled web, sticky, fraught, constraining, but ALSO SUPPORTIVE."<br /><br />Normativity stinks really. When you sit down and analyze rigorously and thoroughly the world and human society as it is now, and has been since it's inception, the whole thing reeks. The whole thing is immensely tiring and despicable.Black guy from the future pasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14136170325730022110noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5956838.post-62780636760898244332013-04-17T13:46:33.813-07:002013-04-17T13:46:33.813-07:00"I did not mean to imply..." I figured a..."I did not mean to imply..." I figured as much. I included the quote because it provided context for the exchange that seemed relevant, I didn't attach your pseudonym in my quote precisely to avoid seeming to fix or focus attention on you rather than to John Howard as the person I was actually sparring with in the overall exchange. Normativity is indeed a tangled web, sticky, fraught, constraining, but also supportive.Dale Carricohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02811055279887722298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5956838.post-47787403978126617212013-04-17T12:58:04.395-07:002013-04-17T12:58:04.395-07:00I get what you are saying Dale, and I did not mean...I get what you are saying Dale, and I did not mean to imply that coming "out of a test tube" was somehow a negative. I was simply attacking the eugenicist argument for "perfection", which merely means what those in the power-elite deem to be be "perfect" in their view. You also raise the troubling issue of patriarchy and arbitrary norms. All "norms" are in effect arbitrary. We buy/conform ourselves into certain modes of cultural and social expression. For example, I go to college not because it is objectively good, true, and universal, though in my society it is marketed that way, and is severely important in the society I live in, I realize that other social systems operate, and many social systems in the past have operated, just fine without systems of higher education or even formal schooling for that matter. This raises the issue of what can be considered normal and abnormal what is objectively good and universal and what is subjective/relative. I am not sure these lines will ever be clearly drawn and we will have to struggle with these issues for a long time. Humans have been struggling with the issue of HOW to live since the first humans became cognizant of the fact they were even alive. The main issue I think is the aspect of conformity. Every human being walks a precarious line between what their societal system allows them to do, and what they personally wish to do. Many people have been marginalized and outright killed in this process. Ironically this goes both ways, what is most often deemed "good" equality, justice, compassion for all, can get one killed and marginalized, and what is considered "bad" being a a racist or pedophile, also can get one killed and marginalized. And the examples that I have provided as "good" and "bad" are at various points in time and history reversed, the "good" becoming "bad" and vice versa. The proclivities and propensities of society as a whole, composing itself of many members, must be taken into account and be dealt with. This is a never ending struggle.Black guy from the future pasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14136170325730022110noreply@blogger.com