tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5956838.post8476542033110731198..comments2023-11-22T01:14:54.298-08:00Comments on amor mundi: Conversations With Anarchists and DemocratsDale Carricohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02811055279887722298noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5956838.post-8704018376655553892012-09-21T09:55:40.313-07:002012-09-21T09:55:40.313-07:00To be honest, Summer, I am not entirely sure you a...<i>To be honest, Summer, I am not entirely sure you are even proceeding in good faith here.</i><br /><br />I feel the same way about you. See a fuller response <a href="http://queersingularity.wordpress.com/2012/09/21/theorizing-the-state-with-dale-carrico/" rel="nofollow">here</a>.Summerspeakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07870660699983182559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5956838.post-3877830005435596502012-09-20T20:08:12.241-07:002012-09-20T20:08:12.241-07:00Are you saying you don't support arresting peo...<i>Are you saying you don't support arresting people for violating social and spatial norms? Are you saying arrest isn't violent?</i><br /><br />Which norms under what circumstances? Do you never recommend arrest of those who themselves are engaged in or threaten violence even on your own terms? Are you saying that because arrests in which governments engage are sometimes violent, that this renders everything that government does violent or renders government essentially or exhaustively violent, even in those endless details and enterprises in which it obviously is not?<br /><br />To be honest, Summer, I am not entirely sure you are even proceeding in good faith here. Can you really pretend not to know where I am likely to stand on such questions in cases where actual police brutality is taking place or where corporate plutocrats are looting common resources or exploiting everyday folks? I mean, doesn't it matter to you that I rail against such abuses all the time? If you think that only those who jump off the deep end with you and endorse your abstract fantasy of spontaneous order can really resist such abuses I am here to tell you the fact that the overabundant majority of those who do resist such abuses have nothing at all to do with anarchistic nonsense should suggest to you the necessity of rethinking at least some of your guiding premises. The fact that after you indulge in all this Church Lady preening you say you don't even advocate nonviolence yourself is just, I mean, wtf, are you for real?<br /><br />Anyway, you may be glad -- or possibly perplexed -- to know that I teach about the enclosure of the commons (via EP Thompson and Karl Polanyi) as I also teach the luddite resistance to unilateral industrialization, as matters of violent plutocratic aggression and dispossession against majorities. I teach (via Frantz Fanon and Paul Gilroy) about the architectural articulation of hierarchy and control -- from Apartheid, to Palestine, to LA walled burbclaves maintained by the "illegal" precariat. I have repeatedly published here on this blog celebrations of the mass re-occupation of privatized public spaces, I support many instances of squatting on privatized and vacated spaces, but that doesn't mean I would defend anybody who might want to invade a private home or shop without hearing a whole lot about the context.<br /><br />Now, I don't disapprove the very idea of private ownership of land as such, though I do think public and common goods should be administered by accountable governance and I disapprove the appropriation without compensation of traditional resources and knowledges (a key issue in corporate biopiracy today, as you no doubt know), and I think the introduction of disruptive industrial infrastructure can be ameliorated by a substantial safety net, public education and retraining programs, invitation to collective ownership of enterprises producing disruption for those whose lives are dislocated by them and other measures (ideas one finds premonitions of in the actual protests of the luddites themselves).<br /><br />That is to say, I surely disapprove many or even most of the abuses you do -- as anybody who actually reads this blog with any honesty or intelligence at all would already know -- but I do not use these abuses as rationalizations for infantile fantasies of how awesome lawlessness would be.<br /><br />I know that some nonviolent theorists and activists are anarchists. Needless to say, for the reasons I have made clear, I think they are confused and wrong.Dale Carricohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02811055279887722298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5956838.post-53508130292907648872012-09-20T16:19:07.830-07:002012-09-20T16:19:07.830-07:00Are you saying you don't support arresting peo...Are you saying you don't support arresting people for violating social and spatial norms? Are you saying arrest isn't violent? I can't tell at this point. My definition of strict nonviolence aligns with much of the <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=mPDeD4FwNnUC&printsec=frontcover&dq=law+tragic+task&source=bl&ots=1p7tjnOHSq&sig=lOG3MEwk6dAHlslEuxrMs3BI1to&hl=en&sa=X&ei=RKJbUISlEYrFiwLXnIDAAQ&ved=0CCwQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=law%20tragic%20task&f=false" rel="nofollow">scholarship</a> on the subject as well as the Gandhian tradition. The Gandhians I respect most are anarchists - <a href="http://www.democracynow.org/2011/11/18/occupy_oakland_protester_pancho_ramos_stierle" rel="nofollow">Pancho</a> comes to mind. The law, as Robert Cover famously <a href="http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CB8QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fdigitalcommons.law.yale.edu%2Fcgi%2Fviewcontent.cgi%3Farticle%3D3687%26context%3Dfss_papers&ei=9qFbUJPdOKGcjAKK_4DQAg&usg=AFQjCNEQWhLALzYbaQsEvdcbIFFSYd-n6A&sig2=zxdUYcg-huZmf08HrMgerg&cad=rja" rel="nofollow">wrote</a>, is "staked in blood."<br /><br />Again, I don't advocate strict nonviolence myself. Summerspeakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07870660699983182559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5956838.post-44600777469215506302012-09-19T12:34:20.030-07:002012-09-19T12:34:20.030-07:00"Amerikan," if you are looking for your ..."Amerikan," if you are looking for your comment, I cheerfully deleted it as I always will spam advocating the wholesome benefit to me and my readers of reading the right wing neo-feudal white racist websites you enjoy and to which you link in your comment.Dale Carricohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02811055279887722298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5956838.post-24720999055800005222012-09-19T11:04:27.065-07:002012-09-19T11:04:27.065-07:00You are wrong to call me a liar when I mean what I...You are wrong to call me a liar when I mean what I say, and you are also wrong to assume everybody is an asshole like you when they aren't, and you are also wrong to think your terribly embarrassing undergraduate philosophizing impresses anybody beyond the circle of your suburban white boy dojo, yo.Dale Carricohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02811055279887722298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5956838.post-37344779988792601612012-09-19T10:52:11.552-07:002012-09-19T10:52:11.552-07:00The whole problem with your ideology is that you h...The whole problem with your ideology is that you have this strange idea that human beings care deeply about things like “equity in diversity.” What about human psychology or history suggests that this is true?<br /><br />Don’t you think that in reality, human beings are driven by desire for *unlimited power*, and they use various ideologies to try to justify this basic imperative? You are as guilty of this as anyone; you use the common slave religionist tactic of justifying your will to power by appeals to moralism. But a godless universe doesn’t care about such things – it only rewards superior power! So give me an honest power-seeker any day over all these deluded, lying moralists!<br /><br />The real Golden Rule in this ‘verse was laid down long ago by the Antichrist of Western philosophy:<br /><br />“What is good? All that heightens the feeling of power, the will to power, power itself in man. What is bad? All that proceeds from weakness. What is happiness? The feeling that power increases – that a resistance is overcome.”<br /><br />If you accept the truth of this, then your political ideology must change. If you deny it, then I submit that you are delusional, and an enemy of mankind. Because in a hostile universe, only ever-greater power offers mankind any hope of success. Therefore greater power should be your first principle. I submit that your ideology is hostile to greater power, and therefore hostile to humanity.<br /><br />Contemplate this on the tree of woe…<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com