tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5956838.post5399438188762855760..comments2023-11-22T01:14:54.298-08:00Comments on amor mundi: Sold Out TruthsDale Carricohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02811055279887722298noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5956838.post-75336351698384027732013-12-02T12:33:17.991-08:002013-12-02T12:33:17.991-08:00Boy, you showed me.Boy, you showed me.Dale Carricohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02811055279887722298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5956838.post-81836938238498443772013-12-02T11:53:22.746-08:002013-12-02T11:53:22.746-08:00In other words, if he says the magic words enough ...In other words, if he says the magic words enough times, he'll turn into a zombie.<br /><br />Do you ever reflect on what you're connoting to others? If so many people consider you a Postmodernist, maybe just maybe they're right?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5956838.post-61201413600559349192011-01-01T21:56:53.951-08:002011-01-01T21:56:53.951-08:00It's not an alternative to going zero carbon b...<i>It's not an alternative to going zero carbon but a panic button if going zero carbon isn't enough.</i><br /><br />Repeat this often enough and I can tell you, sure as I'm sitting here, that you will become a collaborator in the ongoing extractive-industrial destruction of the world quite as lethal as the most fulminating climate change denialists.Dale Carricohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02811055279887722298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5956838.post-54231264658633247352011-01-01T21:42:30.220-08:002011-01-01T21:42:30.220-08:00The mistake you are making is fancying that geo-en...The mistake you are making is fancying that geo-engineering has anything to do with science at all. <br /><br />"Geo-engineering" is like EVERY futurological topic, a primarily rhetorical formation, the promulgation of an ideological or even theological vantage at most superficially appropriating, organizing, and freighting with emotional and political and narrative significance some science (and usually no small amount of pseudo-science as well) in the service of wish-fulfilment fantasizing, and what I have explained elsewhere as almost always reactionary politics -- hence my futurological brickbat that every futurism is functionally a retro-futurism. <br /><br />There is of course plenty of science happening at the nanoscale level, there is plenty of molecular biochemistry afoot, but there is no Drexlerian "nanotechnology" that correlates to the futurological topic. There is plenty of non-normativizing prosthetic, genetic, cognitive medicine emerging on the scene but there is no "enhancement" and certainly no "longevity" medicine that correlates to the futurological topic. There is plenty of network security and user-friendly software coding but no "AI" and certainly no "Friendly super AI" that correlates to the futurological topic. <br /><br />So, too, there is no "geo-engineering" for you to want or not to want. The term has no substance except as a way to direct attention and imagination from mainstream-legible environmentalism onto greenwashing pseudo-environmentalist formations to maintain and even amplify elite-incumbent profit-taking and authority. <br /><br />Quite apart from whether you agree with me or not, do you grasp now the altogether different nature of the critique I am leveling than the one to which you seemed hitherto to be responding? <br /><br />Again, if I may ask, have you read the other posts on the topic of "geo-engineering" available at the sidebar since, again, you have raised an issue in this last response I already dealt with at length in an exchange with Jamais Cascio (which I fear ended what had been a friendly relation between us) archived there.Dale Carricohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02811055279887722298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5956838.post-15617978543569222042011-01-01T20:55:13.613-08:002011-01-01T20:55:13.613-08:00Nothing is unknowable in climate science. We alrea...Nothing is unknowable in climate science. We already have a pretty good idea of the cooling effects of sulphur for instance. It's not an alternative to going zero carbon but a panic button if going zero carbon isn't enough. <br /><br />It's always being framed as being a stalking horse for something sinister. In reality it's just scientists speculating these people aren't united under a singular agenda. <br /><br />Do I want geoengineering? No. I don't think anybody in their right mind does. That position changes if the world's climate goes into runaway positive feedback.jollyspaniardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10999141103840765243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5956838.post-52685781322231470852010-12-31T02:13:45.576-08:002010-12-31T02:13:45.576-08:00I've heard it all before and declare geo-engin...I've heard it all before and declare geo-engineering to be utter greenwashing bullshit. There is in fact no-one advocating "research" into geo-engineering <i>stricto sensu</i> inasmuch as there is nobody who can even tell you to what "geo-engineering" is supposed to refer as a coherent body of techniques in the world, even in potentia in distinction from, say, aggregate effects of remediation strategies and renewable techniques already well underway before the corporate-militarist futurologists stepped in with their content-free but oh so portentious neoligism in the usual manner of futurologists whereupon they immediately started pooh-poohing the inevitable failures of mainstream environmentalist organizing, regulation, education, techniques and offering up their CGI cartoons of megascale engineering wet dreams as if they were serious alternatives (again, precisely in the usual way with futurologists). Contrary to your final sentence, I declare that if regulatory politics and comparable mainstream legible interventions fail (and I take your reference to emission standards as synecdochic for the full suite of strong but still mainstream-legible environmentalist proposals), then, yes, it really is too late, in a finite world in which biosphere is possible within bounds that are strained already nearly beyond bearing and can indeed fail, there really is such a thing as too late, and serious people of good will damn well better leave off the infantile magical thinking bullshit. Note that the sorts of untestable unknowable unfathamonably vast scaled ramifyingly consequential geo-engineering schemes that tend really to give the corporate-militarist futurological bullshit artists their most ferocious hard-ons would also have to be funded, regulated, operated via precisely the sorts of politics whose failure presumably renders sooper-futurological alternatives necessary in the first place, thus begging the question why politics that can't work for shit we all actually know would work would suddenly miraculously work for bullshit nobody can even pretend is real let alone plausible. No doubt the fact that most geo-engineering "proposals" enable corporate-militarist-industrial concerns that fucked up the whole planet to assume center stage in these for-profit megascale cleanup operations, whether or not anybody can say they would work or not, is completely irrelevant to their allure for the oh so serious new techno-environmentalist elites who now cheerlead for them to the applause of well heeled corporate pricks and military wonks the world over. I suggest you survey my arguments on the topic archived at the sidebar under the heading "Futurology Against Ecology" in which you will discover as by now you may have suspected already that the bone you had to pick with me has been well picked over by me already, indeed at excruciating length and in a manner perfectly in keeping with the tone of tolerance and moderation and good cheer that so characterizes all my critiques on every subject.Dale Carricohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02811055279887722298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5956838.post-82814998644004368712010-12-30T20:34:15.568-08:002010-12-30T20:34:15.568-08:00Control the past and you control the future. Revis...Control the past and you control the future. Revisionist history seems to be a big pastime lately. These people need to be embarassed as much as possible.<br /><br />I've got a bone to pick about your Geoengineering comment. There are people advocating research into Geoengineering who take curbing emissions seriously. There's no guarantee we haven't already gone too far. Our emissions keep climbing and feedback effects worthy of science fiction disaster novels are showing up decades ahead of schedule. <br /><br />Emissions cuts are the best solution, everyone acknowledges that. That doesn't mean however that there's no such thing as too late.jollyspaniardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10999141103840765243noreply@blogger.com