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Sunday, May 10, 2009

Consent and Other Fringe Values of Mine

Upgraded and adapted from the Moot, "Elithrion" responds to an older post of mine, Eugenicism and the Denigration of Consent:
Transhumanism does not inherently bear any definitive political prescription of either the libertarian or socialist sort, or of any other political position. While many of its adherents may subscribe to similar ideologies this is more coincidence of appeal than an implicit feature. Indeed, one can easily imagine transhumanism tinged with communism, socialism, centrist positions, fascism, libertarianism, or anything else. What you demand in your "critique", in particular when referring to the requirement of "informed, nonduressed consent", which you repeat as a sort of mantra, is that every transhumanist adhere to your particular political ideology. This is absurd as while I am sure that there are certain transhumanists who do just that, there is no particular reason why any more of them should embrace it than the number who embrace it in society at large. That number being sufficiently small that I am comfortable calling it a "fringe position", with which appellation you seem to take such issue. Thus, I claim that your real issue lies with society for not embracing this position as mainstream, not with transhumanists for reasonably reflecting society.

Although "Elithrion" addresses their concerns to my critique of transhumanists in particular, it is worthwhile to note that in the piece to which they are responding itself I am equally critical of the eugenicism of transhumanist and bioconservative formulations, and also that I regard both of these viewpoints as marginal extremes that, while certainly quite ugly and pernicious enough on their own terms, importantly illuminate troubling eugenic attitudes that prevail (often in more muted or ambivalent ways) in mainstream developmental discourses as well. It is thus not only "transhumanism" that is the focus of my argument in the piece itself, nor certainly "transhumanist-identified" people to whom I am addressing that argument.

Be that as it may, it is quite true that transhumanists, like many other techno-enthusiasts, often like to imagine that their developmental views, emphases, and aspirations are somehow politically neutral or autonomous, when of course the reality is that such reductionist gestures are always profoundly political themselves. I have written elsewhere that such "technical apoliticism" is a move that conduces in general to incumbent-elitist politics of the right -- a structural tendency that is importantly indifferent to the professed politics of its adherents, however sincerely intended.

The notional political diversity among the Robot Cultists to which "Elithrion" refers is, as often as not, an expression of indifference to the salience of political differences in matters of technodevelopment in my view, an indifference that expresses antipathy to stakeholder politics and yields reactionary political effects. Also, I have often noted that the Robot Cultists who flog this particular line about the political diversity of their "big tent" tend in the main to be defensive avowedly left-leaning Robot Cultists trying to provide rationalizations for their participation in a movement with such a conspicuously reactionary political history and which skews anti-democratic in its politics right up to the present. Not to put too fine a point on it, eugenicism is finally incompatible with democracy, as is elitist technocracy, as are, to be sure, the libertopians and Randroids still to be found in comparatively high numbers among the Robot Cultists. I consider these declarations about ideological diversity in the Robot Cult to be PR moves more than anything else, usually involving quite a bit of data massage and terminological hanky-panky.

You are quite right that I would demand that every transhumanist respect the value of consent, inasmuch as I would demand every single human being on earth respect consent. I guess that's what you mean when you call it my "mantra." It is rather hilarious that you seem to imply this is a kind of tyrannical intolerance on my part. As it happens, it is possible to champion both equity and diversity while recognizing the tension that obtains in the implementation of these democratic values. You may be shocked, by the way, to discover that the intolerance of my "fringe position" and "particular political ideology" also extends to murder, torture, and fraud.

I can't say that I feel particularly alienated in my secular democratic values. While there is no small amount of progressive democratizing, consensualizing, diversifying work to be done and the demand for resistance to the evils of corporate-militarism is more urgent than ever, I don't feel that my vantage or aspirations are particularly unintelligible in my society even if they are not yet reflected to my satisfaction in its institutions. I certainly have no trouble recognizing that Robot Cultists are incomparably more "fringe" in their views than secular democrats like me. Thus your claim about my "real issue" with Robot Cultists amounting to an expressions of ideological alienation simply makes no sense to me at all.

5 comments:

Antonin said...

Did Elithrion misspoke or did the mask just drop?

Transhumanists are suddenly mostly unsupportive of informed consent pertaining to technological choices? Those that do are part of a 'fringe'?
Jolly.

Anonymous said...

Carrico: You may be shocked, by the way, to discover that the intolerance of my "fringe position" and "particular political ideology" also extends to murder, torture, and fraud.

Me: LOL

Dale Carrico said...

I am reasonably sure that many Robot Cultists would defend consent as a value as forcefully as I would, even if many would do so in a form I would personally regard as compromised or confused. Whether by "consent" they mean a scene that is substantial rather than pro forma remains a matter demanding close scrutiny in my view, whatever futurologists claim to believe.

Certainly, those among them who still declare any "market outcome" as consensual by fiat, whatever the circumstances of malinformation or duress that articulate its terms are on questionable ground to say the least in their defense of consent. And those who would denigrate wanted nonfatal lifeway variations as "suboptimalities" to be therapized away, either in a way that trumps consent straightforwardly (by way of the unethical misapplication of the language of "social externalities" or "competitive disadvantage" for example) or simply by way of the inculcation of prejudicial norms and incentives to the same effect seem to me to value consent at best in an ambivalent way, whatever their protests to the contrary. And one should also always be wary of the ways in which technocratic attitudes can come to assume priority over consent from the vantage of effective administration (this is a danger I am vulnerable to myself).

For me, to be committed to substantial rather than merely formal consent commits us to the support as well of some bundle of entitlements and legitimate institutions providing for a scene of consent that is as informed and nonduressed as may be. The particular form this bundle takes is of course -- and should be -- open to debate and experiment. That consent is materially implemented rather than spontaneous does not seem to me to be similarly worthy of debate unless one has a lot of time on one's hands to argue with overabuntantly discredited and facile libertopianisms (either from the left or the right).

John Howard said...

What is your threshold of "substantial" rather than "pro forma" consent? If it is "fully informed", what is the threshold for "fully", and does the information need to apply to more than just their own health and safety, but also to the future effects their decision will have on their posterity, or their neighbors? I don't see how we could ever have "fully informed" consent if we are serious about our impact on the future. Also, "non-duressed": does that take into account subtle and subliminal forms of duress, not just the obvious social pressures, but also more ingrained mental illnesses, if you will, that might inflict the entire population. Can a crazy person consent, or be duressed?

Dale Carrico said...

Ah, the first tremulous near-reasonable gambit from incessantly returning biocon troll, John Howard. Always such a delicately perfumed moment, always so full of the blushing promise of productive exchange.

Indeed, these questions you raise are among the necessary questions to ask. No, "informed consent" can't demand "omniscience," nor can "nonduressed consent" demand "omnipotence," and hence dedication to these (of a piece with dedication to democratization in my view, in ways that both resolve and exacerbate the problems at hand) requires real vigilance and public accountability and ongoing weighing of stakes and an acute awareness of errancy and an interminable responsiveness to mistakes, problems, confusions, and so on.

But if you think you are drawing me into yet another one of your wackshit crazy biocon monologues about how comparably consensual recourse to actually-available ARTs construed in some monolithic fashion sets humanity on a slippery slope to clone queer baby armies of the future that will rob all the poor straight folks of their natural-born rights to natural-born babies that don't make Baby Jeebus cry you are definitely in for the usual disappointment.