tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5956838.post6042494277446151782..comments2023-11-22T01:14:54.298-08:00Comments on amor mundi: Is It Really "Anti-Establishment" To Fight So Hard To Lead An Establishment?Dale Carricohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02811055279887722298noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5956838.post-15929416651428111812016-02-11T06:24:27.191-08:002016-02-11T06:24:27.191-08:00One thing about Human Rights Campaign...from the t...One thing about Human Rights Campaign...from the trans perspective they have been regarded as pro-establishment for a long, long time. And also to some extent by queer identified folk, bi folk, as well as gay and lesbian folk who aren't yuppies and who need fair access to low-skill jobs and fair promotion to semiskilled jobs more than they need to get married. Among the straight folk too, marriage offers little benefit below middle class and glaringly obvious financial disadvantages to those so excluded (or so thoroughly outcompeted) from gainful employment that they are dependent on the so-called safety net.<br /><br />Plus, they have the same initials as Hillary Rodham Clinton.Lorrainehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13567383019731167967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5956838.post-31488625570648306302016-02-11T05:46:53.841-08:002016-02-11T05:46:53.841-08:00etting back to the original question: Is It Reall...etting back to the original question: Is It Really "Anti-Establishment" To Fight So Hard To Lead An Establishment?<br /><br />Of course not, but that's basically an anarchist argument, isn't it? Perhaps it is an argument that can also contribute to a case for welfare statism or something similar. Apparently there's something called "judicial activism." Conservatives are very up in arms against it, which is a good enough reason for me to be for it. Is it reasonable at least to conceive of the possible existence of things such as legislative activism or executive activism? If judicial activism is indeed, as the people who call themselves strict constructionists claim, unconstitutional, then I'd say we're up shit creek if legislative or executive activism must also be excluded from existence.<br /><br />I don't think anyone seriously believes that any presidential candidate can make good on campaign promises, so I think rather unfair the characterization of Sanders supporters as imagining the office of president coming with some kind of magic wand or royal sceptre. What animates me is this: During my own lifetime (and I think I'm the same age as Dale) the Overton window (if you want to call it that) or range of feasible political outcomes for America, has moved dramatically rightward starting with the Reagan "revolution" in 1980, with no end in sight. I want to believe that during my lifetime there will be a leftward pendulum swing of comparable magnitude. Thinking of Sanders nomination as a competitive liability for the Dem. party may in some cases be an expression of the belief that American public opinion ain't there yet. I can't really live with that, but maybe I can be persuaded to strategize around it. As before there was the "Reagan revolution" there was the "silent majority." But how do we keep our eyes on the prize; the long-term goal of pushing the Democratic party leftward and at least influencing public opinion at large in that direction? I'd like to think that at least between election seasons, moderates are fair game for our wrath, for the same reason as conservatives, at least to the extent that they take the conservative position on any issue.<br /><br />Lorrainehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13567383019731167967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5956838.post-24797277941109870202016-02-09T18:45:17.303-08:002016-02-09T18:45:17.303-08:00I agree that it is good that Sanders pushes Hillar...I agree that it is good that Sanders pushes Hillary from the left. That's where the majority of Americans are (and certainly it is where the solutions to our problems are) and Hillary's rhetoric and ambitions benefit from going there too in the contest. I worry a bit about the vitriol and anti-pragmatism, but ugliness and silliness are simply part of American campaigning, perspective helps -- and I suspect the consequences are better than not. It will be interesting to see how Bernie supporters react to results in states that are more representative of the nation and the party's Base. That will be the test.Dale Carricohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02811055279887722298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5956838.post-44100298029293312812016-02-09T15:34:29.362-08:002016-02-09T15:34:29.362-08:00Interesting point of view and I can't fault it...Interesting point of view and I can't fault it.<br /><br />I love reading about Sanders but I am just rubber necking from the other side of the Atlantic. He's doing your country a service I think by giving Hilary a good run for her money from the left. jollyspaniardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10999141103840765243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5956838.post-50223133045359356472016-02-09T03:20:24.701-08:002016-02-09T03:20:24.701-08:00The more I read about Sanders the more problematic...The more I read about Sanders the more problematic I find his campaign, i would still most likely vote for him if I were american but I woul do so critically and under no assumption that things would change radically. I mean he and some of his supporters seems to seriously think that scandinavian countries are socialist, which is not the case at all. I have seriously had debates with some of his supporters about the nature of socialism and how welfare capitalism works.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05812503574018469872noreply@blogger.com